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Session Start: Sat Sep 07 16:36:40 2002
(Okidok) Anyone watched a David Copperfield show lately? He performes as an real wizard
(GrimBot) Welcome and g'day to you Nancy and the Zetas!
(S7L) Piet: Nancy's Zetas said the "face on mars" was an artificial structure built by the giant hominoids she claims to live on the water/hard-soil comet/brown dwarf/planet X
(NancyL) G'day to you too, Grimbot.
(Obany) Grimbot isn't real .. just a bot :)
(TerrorDac) Nancy we are all discussing the Mars photo's - got anything on this for us?
(Ummite) Hehe
(3j) Getting coordinates for the astronomers today?
(S7L) Piet: it's related to the claimed "100% track record"
(NancyL) Have a full agenda today, most left over from last week. I'll post for the early birds.
(CaptainNibiru) Any sighting , yet of PlanetX, nancy, hello and good day to you?
(NancyL) Terror, what do they SHOW, the photos?
(Piet) Ok
(TerrorDac) Hoaglands new photos
(Zetapal) Piet - the evidence that we are not alone in the solar system is used as a tool to gradually awaken a dumbed down, and withheld from (controlled) populace
(Michaellss) Infra red images
(NancyL) 3J, another week left until the 15th, as you know.
(3j) Very well
(NancyL) ELEMENT OF DOUBT
(NancyL) 1. There are seemingly fundamental contradictions in ZT. - I will point one out here. For the Rule Of Doubt to be effective, doubt should be maintained not only pre event, but post event too, otherwise it will soon be the Rule Of Diminishing Doubt. On what grounds then, does your emissary post a track record on the site, using and claiming the word ACCURACY? Thank you.
(NancyL) IRAQ WAR MONGERING
(NancyL) 1. If the Bush administration is aware of the coming pole shift, why are they so obssessed with war mongering right now? Is it only to distract the public, or are they deluded that they can escape the shift somehow and still rule the world?
(NancyL) ELITE BUNKERS
(NancyL) 1. And also what is Mt Weather for Bush or FEMA [Mt Weather, and I suspect Kokomo, are poor choices now.]
(NancyL) ECONOMY
(NancyL) 1. What's gonna happen in the near future: economy, politics, e.g. housing bubble collasping, war in Iraq, FEMA.
(NancyL) HEAT/FRICTION
(NancyL) 1. Heat will be generated... where will it go? Look up how heat travels through certain densities of rock. I'd love to hear an answer to friction/heat.
(NancyL) NIBIRUIAN COUNCIL
(NancyL) 1. Jelaila Starr of the Nibiruan Council predicts the return of Nibiru and a PS for late Spring 2003 - like the Zetas! Is she therefore a valid channel? What is it all about the Nibiruan Council? Is it real or fake? Are Jelailas channelings all hot air or is there more to them? The Zetas shall comment, please, on Jelaila Starr and the Nibiruan Council.
(Zetapal) Piet disclosure of the truth in any form - parallels what the zetas say is their own agenda - truth
(NancyL) I pre-wrote the answer this morning to Iraq and Heat, else we would not get to it all in one hour.
(TerrorDac) Any chance we could slip in the Hoagland photos to the agenda nancy?
(NancyL) Terror, what do Hoaglands new photos SHOW?
(STOwarrior) Buried under sand cities
(TerrorDac) Apparent doctoring by NASA
(HandLanger) Artificial structures on mars
(JubJub963) or .. nothing
(Michaellss) http://www.enterprisemission.com/
(RainMan) City's under a lot of dust
(NancyL) Ah! He caught NASA doctoring? Suprelative!
(AGreenspan) Thank you.
(HandLanger) or jpeg blibs
(Michaellss) Yup
(Monk) They are taking NASA to court :)
(Michaellss) Busted
(RainMan) Got 'um by the short hairs
(Michaellss) Very good thing, if real
(TerrorDac) Any chance the zetas might say a few words on it?
(NancyL) NASA will get the judge to dismiss, on grounds of national security :-). Meaning THEIR security of course.
(Michaellss) Ouch
(NancyL) Let me see what they've ALREADY said, if more needs to be added.
(Ummite) Nancy have you ever see the movie EBE ??
(TerrorDac) Ok thankyou
(Michaellss) Thnx
(CaptainNibiru) Nancy has anyone sighted PX?
(Zetapal) Nancy you have to see the new infrared photos of mars - they show massive installations of artificial structures/buildings built along natural features - it looks like an overhead view of a modern city like Los Angelas with no lights on - you must see them - link on Art Bells site under "past programs" / Hoagland's Thursday night appearance
(Karen) Nancy, could you include asking about Almine Barton along with Jelia Starr, they work together and Almine does predict and has accuracy.
(Obany) Cap: wait a little longer, the 15th is about a week from now
(RainMan) Karen, do they talk about PX?
(Karen) Yes
(NancyL) Umite, yes EBE excellent.
(TerrorDac) Zetapal, I think Nancy has gone to look at them
(RainMan) Karen, do you have a URL?
(Ummite) NancyL do you think it is true
(RudyJoe) Nancy, could you get the ZTs to tell us about all the places in our Solar System where there is current alien activity going on?
(Zetapal) Cool thx
(NancyL) Captain Nib, looking WHERE? At Open Minded coordinates? Or perhaps Silk/aka Sarah McIntyre.
(Zetapal) Photo #2 is best
(NancyL) What is Almine's accuracy, Karen? Cite cases.
(Karen) www.spiritualjourneys.com but she doesn't speak of it on website just in conferences and her books. She and Jeliala have workshops together
(CaptainNibiru) More recent, like this past week or so, is what I meant? Nancy
(TerrorDac) You got a link to that zetapal please?
(Piet) Has anyone seen the movie TYCUS?
(CaptainNibiru) Ok,Obany, ty
(Karen) Gov't coverups stuff
(NancyL) Rudy, no, they deserve their privacy, mostly in 4th density in any case.
(Michaellss) #2 yup
(Karen) But recently says that timeline changes have prevented PX from coming
(RudyJoe) Aw shucks!
(Obany) Piet: I have seen it that movie...
(NancyL) Karen, unpublished accuracy is bunk! One must, like ZetaTalk, post on the Usenet so the exact words are dated.
(NancyL) Also, the predictions must be specific, not Sollog vague, etc.
(Karen) Ok
(Medfield) Your vocabulary. lovely
(Zetapal) www.artbell.com - look under "past programs" 9/05/02 show Richard Hoagland - 7 photos, see esp. photo #2
(Piet)Poor quality but very interesting
(Zetapal) Your eyes will bug out
(Michaellss) Def #2 awesome
(TerrorDac) Ok Zetapal thx
(Medfield) Lsd makes you bugout
(Ummite) NancyL do you think EBE movie is true?
(Piet) Where did they get their idea??
(Monk) http://www.artbell.com/images/hoagland2.jpg
(Zetapal) Lol Medfield . not yet
(Merlin) NancyL: Is it possible to see the Planet right now with an earth based telescope? Even though you're not giving the coordinates until the 15th?
(Zetapal) Thx monk
(Medfield) Put some headphones on hit a dugout, then tell me your not feelin well
(NancyL) Umite, I think ZT says based on partial accuracy.
(Ummite) Thx nancy
(NancyL) Merlin, the coordinates do NOT just sit still in one spot, as red light bends, so there are some surprises, not expected by the NEW ZT Emmisaries, Open Minded and Sara :-)
(Zetapal) Merlin - would be visible right now from earth but presently the Sun is in the way - Orion view blocked until later this year - some say as early as next week its viewable
(EliteConspirator) Lol
(S7L) NancyL: well how much would they bend? 20 degrees? 10 degrees? 5 degrees?
(S7L) Why only light from Planet X appears to be subject to this bending?
(NancyL) You are looking at an object coming dead on, and the red light bends depending upon what pulls it during its path also, so double movement possible as to WHERE to look.
(S7L) For instance, not starlight, or moonlight?
(NancyL) S7L depends on what is bending them.
(Torbj) Hello, Nancy!
(Merlin) The reason I ask is I have been looking trying to follow a trajectory to see if there was a way to anticipate it's coordinates on my own
(NancyL) S7L, no, the light from the just rising or just setting SUN is affected also, by our atmosphere alone! As you know, stated endless times.
(S7L) Nor do I see why not the star light, coming almost right from same direction as PX, would not be likewise affected
(TerrorDac) Light bends for everything S7L - look in a swimming pool and it looks shallower than it is
(Torbj) HUG!
(S7L) It would sense the same 'influences', would it not?
(NancyL) Merlin, no.
(Samsara2003) The position of Planet X is slightly above Orion - closer to Taurus right now, is it not?
(NancyL) S7L, things move around, so no.
(TerrorDac) S7L - LOOK IN A SWIMMING POOL
(Jeremy) Samasara2003: yes
(S7L) NancyL: yes, stated incorrectly endless times by you.
(NancyL) Sam, between Orion's bow and the right shoulder of the bull, rough estimate.
(S7L) TerrorDac: so what?
(Merlin) Samsara2003: that's where I've been looking.. at like 1am..
(TerrorDac) Light bends in water
(S7L) TerrorDac: be specific at what you claim. That water in solar system bends light rays from Planet X but not from other stars?
(Samsara2003) Anyone have any idea of how to pinpoint the coordinates when they are released - haven't found a skymap program that does this...
(TerrorDac) It bends all
(Merlin) It's not easy with all the background light
(S7L) TerrorDac: then it would bend stars like Planet X... and the entire effect could be accounted for
(Samsara2003) I'd like to get a graphic so people can easily find it without having to be an astronomy professional
(NancyL) Terror, where did Hoagland get these images? From NASA folks?
(TerrorDac) It does bend for all objects
(Michaellss) One guy from NASA
(S7L) TerrorDac: and in fact, it's found that atmosphere *does* bend the light from stars... it makes the things that are actually below horizon appear slightly above horizon
(Michaellss) Can't reme name though
(Merlin) Samsara2003: that's why I've been trying to familiarize myself with that area now
(NancyL) Sam, I have Skymap and it will line up by RA and Dec, I believe.
(TerrorDac) Nancy, from a satellite I think - Mars orbiter or surveyor I think
(Michaellss) Nancy:this guy said he went to NASA board
(Samsara2003) Skymap does not pinpoint coordinates though...I'd like a red dot at the exact coordinates...:)
(Michaellss) They said let it out
(NancyL) This is where the drawing at http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword03h.htm came from - Skymap, and shows RA and Dec.
(BoY) Where does photoms get their messages that they contain
(Merlin) NancyL: is that a program or a plastic skymap?
(Michaellss) They said....sorry
(Torbj) Bend or not...your stomach is never *bent*...so learn to listnen to it
(NancyL) Terror, was this a slip, an unintentional release to Hoagland?
(TerrorDac) Back soon - going to raid the fridge
(NancyL) Or someone in NASA sabotaging the elite :-)
(Michaellss) Hhmm
(Redeye) Ask the zetas nancy
(Monk) They sliped the photo
(Merlin) hmmm...? Intersting
(NancyL) Merlin, Skymap is a program, cheap to purchase.
(Karen) Nancy, seems Gore pops in and out of public view. Could it be because of the Anthrax scare.
(Monk) Theres a fake one one the webpage now but they got the real one
(Merlin) NancyL: thank you
(Samsara2003) I've checked skymap and the area of the sky that PX is in is clearly visible before 3:00am CST...before light pollution takes effect, I believe
(S7L) The linux users can use a nice program called XEphem
(NancyL) I wonder if the Anthrax scare was an intended (Bush et al) "terror" attack that got blotched.
(Samsara2003) It's low in the horizon, but visible nonetheless
(WhitelightShadow) Am I here
(NancyL) I note the Utah "breakin" announcement was in the news JUST as Bush was trying to sell Sadam as a monster for biological warfare plans.
(WhitelightShadow) Tee hee :P
(Karen) Exactly what I thought. Has it sent him hiding? I was glad seeing him out and about
(NancyL) Utah facility is US/CIA and does the SAME THING :-).
(S7L) Samsara2003: "light pollution" is a human thing. City lights cause pollution, for instance. The dawn is not referred as "pollution"
(NancyL) Yet no intruder found!
(Merlin) Samsara: that's what I was thinking or hoping anyways
(TerrorDac) Nancy I think NASA posted the same photo twice in a day, the first one showed too much so it got airbrushed and the amendement posted later that day - Hoagland has both I think
(NancyL) OK, hour is upon us, I'll start.
(Samsara2003) S7L : Ok - not a professional astronomer...
(RudyJoe) Nancy, you should talk to C. Crane, and get them to advertise their telescopes on your site?
(Zetapal) Nancy Hoagland and his associates documented downloading the original photos from NASA sources - it is a compilation of about 8 images which must be overlayed and filtered, this filtering job was done by Hoaglands assoc with an expensive Kodak software program - the infrared images were taken at night and these structures are buried in about 4000 meters of dust which has settled in the valley of Cydonia, so technically they are underg
(NancyL) Terror, WONDERFUL! News about NASA / Hoagland. I'm thrilled!
(NancyL) Q1 coming up ...
(Obany) !notalk
(NancyL) ELEMENT OF DOUBT
(NancyL) 1. There are seemingly fundamental contradictions in ZT. - I will point one out here. For the Rule Of Doubt to be effective, doubt should be maintained not only pre event, but post event too, otherwise it will soon be the Rule Of Diminishing Doubt. On what grounds then, does your emissary post a track record on the site, using and claiming the word ACCURACY? Thank you.
(NancyL) ZT: The Element of Doubt rule must be interpreted in light of the ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY that the alien presence is real, or not.
(NancyL) ZT: The majority of the populace polled believes that the alien presence is real, intelligent life elsewhere possible, without ANY absolute proof in hand.
(NancyL) ZT: The is what the Awakening desires, a gradual comfort level increase, without any contactees being burned at the stake by hysterical religious leaders whose turf has been threatened.
(NancyL) ZT: ZetaTalk Accuracy is designed to allow the populace to discern TRUTH in a message, vs newcomers to the scene who want the stage but invent the message.
(NancyL) ZT: This does not PROVE that aliens are real, as Nancy could be getting the message from the government, be a front for release of this information, deniable where a stright-forward government source would not be deniable.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, the Element of Doubt is maintained.
(NancyL) End ZT Followup?
(Obany) !talk
(GrimBot) Ok, everyone can talk now.
(JohnMeiii) I had an alien come in my bedroom one night
(QueenVee) good reply from the zetas
(QueenVee) very clear
(NancyL) This is so closely related to the last Q that I'll quickly throw this in .. then Iraq.
(NancyL) NIBIRUIAN COUNCIL
(NancyL) 1. Jelaila Starr of the Nibiruan Council predicts the return of Nibiru and a PS for late Spring 2003 - like the Zetas! Is she therefore a valid channel? What is it all about the Nibiruan Council? Is it real or fake? Are Jelailas channelings all hot air or is there more to them? The Zetas shall comment, please, on Jelaila Starr and the Nibiruan Council.
(ZooSpecimen) How about those of us who know and understand , why do we have to wait?
(JohnMeiii) It touched my arm and I couldn't move... It said in a very senthasized voice it will be alright
(NancyL) ZT: Jelaila Starr in NOT a valid contactee, nor channel, and in fact in in contact only with her imagination and greed.
(Obany) !notalk
(NancyL) ZT: There is NOTHING of worth in her reports, which cannot be proven and have no basis for accuracy tabulations.
(NancyL) ZT: Is what she says about the intentions of the hominoids on Nibiru correct? Can you ask them? Can she bring one forward to report in person?
(NancyL) ZT: NONE of her statements can be verified, nor will she allow herself to be interviewed live, bombarded with questions ad hoc as Nancy has, from the start.
(NancyL) ZT: She first discounted all that ZetaTalk stated, but has lately adopted the message as her own, hoping to share the stage.
(NancyL) ZT: She will not be the last wannabe.
(NancyL) End ZT Folowup?
(Obany) !talk
(GrimBot) Ok, everyone can talk now.
(RudyJoe) Nancy, I've heard that the ZTs are real jokers... and they have a really unusual (weird) sense of humor. What does it sound like when they laugh? Do the ZTs ever laugh? Do they ever cry? Do they ever go crazy?
(3j) Wannabe? Haha
(AGreenspan) Thank you.
(Merlin) I am confused I never went looking for fame but have gotten the same info. isnt it possible some others get this up coming event?
(TerrorDac) Why are channels nearly always women?
(NancyL) Rudy, this is not serious Q and declined.
(NancyL) Terror, heard of Cayce?
(TerrorDac) Yes
(Karen) Yes, she did discount Zetatalk
(NancyL) Terror, heard of Scallion?
(TerrorDac) Yes
(NotRoot) Question: What is the Zeta's opinion on Blavatsky and her followers
(EliteConspirator) Women are more gullible
(TerrorDac) Apart from them
(NancyL) OK, the REAL meat of this session, Iraq. Q2 coming up.
(Torbj) 1 stage of laugh= fear
(NancyL) IRAQ WAR MONGERING
(NancyL) 1. If the Bush administration is aware of the coming pole shift, why are they so obssessed with war mongering right now? Is it only to distract the public, or are they deluded that they can escape the shift somehow and still rule the world?
(Torbj) 2 stage of laugh= understanding
(Obany) !notalk
(NancyL) I pre-wrote this to speed it up, so it will flow fast.
(NancyL) Wrote it this morning.
(NancyL) ZT: Going into the Fall elections of 2002 in the US, the Bush Administration was beating the drums of war. Despite immense pressure from allies, the UN, prestigious Republicans with impressive credentials, an utter lack of new or alarming information about Iraq's capability to wreak havoc, ...
(NancyL) ZT: the Arab nations warning that an attack would horrifically destabilize the region, and polls showing the American public absolutely wanting both the UN and Congress on board before any action, the Bush Administration kept insisting it was going forward.
(NancyL) ZT: Why?
(NancyL) ZT: Because the months leading up to the pole shift are viewed as an opportunity to establish global control, a type of global dictatorship, and those tight at the top of the Bush Administration greedy and arrogant enough to believe they can achieve this.
(NancyL) ZT: What would such a global dictatorship entail, and what steps would be required to achieve this?
(NancyL) ZT: Military Might: This entails beefing up the military at the expense of all other government programs, and placing the military in strategic places around the globe.
(NancyL) ZT: Of course, the US military is ALREADY in strategic places, due to the long standing view of the US that is must be the worlds policeman and deterrence the best approach.
(NancyL) ZT: The confusion about why the Bush Administration allies with Israel, forgiving attrosities against the Palestinian people, when seen in this light, has an explanation.
(NancyL) ZT: Israel is in a strategic location in the middle east, with a reach to an increasingly reluctant Europe as well as Arab and Muslim countries.
(NancyL) ZT: Combined with bases or potential bases in Japan, Australia, South Africa, and Argentina, this is viewed as having the globe covered, militarily.
(NancyL) ZT: An Excuse: To muster the military, and optimally put the US under Martial Law, an proper excuse must exist. If the threat of terror attacks from Bin Laden and his group is not enough, then staged terror attacks will be considered.
(NancyL) ZT: Best of all, of course, is to so enrage and destabilize the middle east that rabid attackers throw all caution to the wind and simple go berserk.
(NancyL) ZT: This is of course the GOAL of any war with Iraq, that sleeper cells worldwide would awaken and take action, allowing the US to attempt an essential Martial Law worldwide.
(NancyL) ZT: Europe is expected to properly line up with the US in this instance, with all other global allies snapping properly into place, putting their self interest in line with US interests.
(NancyL) ZT: War Lord Rights: Americans assuming they live in a democracy, where citizens must be charged with a crime if detained and imprisoned, are stunned to find that citizens NOT charged, without any evidence of a crime in hand, are being indefinitely detained by their country under the gise of being enemies of the state during a time of war.
(NancyL) ZT: Hundreds of individuals rounded up and detained indefinitely, off-shore to ensure that any brutal handling of these individuals would escape scrutiny.
(NancyL) ZT: Where this approach has invoked protest, in the US as well as around the world, and has stepped lightly because of this protest, this would be THE approach during the planned military takeover of the world.
(NancyL) ZT: No rights. A dictatorship. And those in the Bush Administration sitting as judge and jury over any and all peoples.
(NancyL) ZT: Population Sculpting: It has long been rumored that the CIA had a hand in the spread of AIDS and the Ebola virus, with an eye to sculpting the populations of the world, and the expanding use of chemtrails outside of the US is an indication of an intent to scupt the WORLD's populations during the chaos preceding the shift.
(NancyL) ZT: Combine this with the seemingly illogical insistance that abortion NEVER be allowed, in a world already so overpopulated that feeding the starving is an impossibility, and you see the sculptors clay.
(NancyL) ZT: Eliminate the undesireable, force the desireable to breed and bear, and you have a work force worthy of the arrogant war lords, or so the theory goes.
(NancyL) ZT: Will this plan succeed? Hardly.
(NancyL) ZT: Such a plan assumes that the status quo would freeze in place, such that no opposition would develop, the pawns on the chess board remain available to be moved about at will by the chess master, and no breaks in the ranks of those considered already under control.
(NancyL) ZT: What changes will occur to upset the plan?
(NancyL) ZT: Economic Collapse: We have predicted an global economic collapse to the extent that the status at the date of our late 1999 prediction would fall to a QUARTER of this strength by the time of the shift.
(NancyL) ZT: As of the date of this writing, it is approaching the HALF WAY mark, with all countries around the world participating in this collapse.
(NancyL) ZT: The collapsing US economy, going into the Fall 2002 elections, threatens to put the Congress in Democratic hands, effectively blocking the military increase and war lord plans of the Bush Administration.
(NancyL) ZT: Geological Changes: Increasingly, leading up to the shift, the globe will suffer earthquakes in unexpected locales, unabating droughts and firestorms, rioting among the starving and economically desperate, ...
(NancyL) ZT: mechanical failure in equipment subjected to stress or repaired inadequately by distracted personnel, cities staggering and imploding due to a shifting base beneath them and trains increasingly derailing, ...
(NancyL) ZT: coastal and river bank cities flooded out and swept away, and opportunistic infections clogging the hospitals.
(NancyL) ZT: The US military will be required to assist, pulled BACK from global takeover positions, especially given a new Congress more concerned about the population than rubber stamping war plans.
(NancyL) ZT: Breaking Ranks: During August, 2002, the world was stunned to see one after another staunch Republican ally of the Bush Administration break ranks and announce that war with Iraq was unwise, ill considered, and unnecessary.
(NancyL) ZT: Former Republican administration officials, generals familiar with Iraq as an enemy, and notaries joined a long list of countries publically making the announcement.
(NancyL) ZT: If war with Iraq seems unlikely in this context, add to it breaking ranks within the US Military, already enraged by being treated as pawns rather than defenders of the people.
(NancyL) ZT: Missing laptops from the Control Center at the Pentagon? Have these been recovered?
(NancyL) ZT: And what revealing information might these laptops have contained, poised like a knife above the heads of the arrogant war lords, ready to drop when the time is right.
(NancyL) ZT: Timely Expose: An apparent break-in at the bio-chemical weapons plant in Utah, where Sarin and Anthrax and other such horrors are MANUFACTURED for the US and the CIA, at a time when Iraq is painted as a monster for having such plants, threw this site and its MISSION into the news in a timely manner.
(NancyL) ZT: Was there a breakin? No. Did an alarm go off? Yes, and no HUMAN hand did the deed.
(NancyL) ZT: Imagine the mess on the home front for the Bush Administration if revelations on electrion fraud, at the HAND of the Bush family, were to hit the news, or Haliburton and Harken Energy and Enron revelations, or all the skeletons in the closet NOT allowed to come out during the US Presidential elections.
(NancyL) ZT: The world loves a scandal, especially when it involves a house that is rapidly becoming the most hated in the world.
(NancyL) End ZT Followup?
(NancyL) Phew.
(Obany) !talk
(QueenVee) so the Bush administration plans to attain world domination BEFORE the pole shift and believes that it will be able to maintain such domination AFTER the pole shift? How can they believe that if they know what the pole shift entails?
(GrimBot) Ok, everyone can talk now.
(Michaellss) Lol
(RudyJoe) Excellent comments! Music to my ears... Thanks...
(Redeye) Wow
(Piet) So do you deny that Iraq holds weapons of mass destruction?!?
(JanR) Nancy, what is Tomy Blairs position in this? Is he pro-US and pro-Bush just to be a bug guy, or is it related to the PS in any way?
(Abk) Population sculpting - why the preference for Caucasians?
(Redeye) Good q, Jan R
(JanR) Tony Blair - big guy (need a new keyboard...)
(NancyL) Queen, if their troups are all over the place, and they communicate with ELF deep frequency, they hope to maintain local control and then re-establish.
(QueenVee) Okay, got it
(FiveMeODMT) I was also wondering if they do succeed in takeover if a Milosevic-style ousting would succeed.
(NancyL) It's kind of like the last man standing logic. They think everyone ELSE will be down further, I suspect.
(NancyL) Piet, so do MANY nations :-).
(Merlin) Nancy could you confirm that if no war occurs something will HAVE to be made up?
(QueenVee) Really excellent response from the Zetas on this Nancy. Thank you so much.
(RainMan) This one's a keeper, for sure...
(NancyL) ZT to JanR: Britains Blair is going along with Bush, though his people are solidly against war mongering with Iraq, hoping to gain chits.
(Karen) Whoa buddy I have to read that again... slower :)
(MikeO) What's the point of all Bush's warmongering if he knows that post-shift he'll be walking barefoot around Kokomo, Indiana, just like the next guy?
(NancyL) ZT: He in fact does NOT expect any actual action, but hopes to gain favors with the US and the NWO elite of which both BLair and Bush are members.
(Karen) Nancy is Gore coming out about anything soon?
(NancyL) End ZT to Jan.
(Torbj) Hmm....as a non English person I think I have to read the log.....
(QueenVee) That makes sense
(Chirino) Also Italian prime minister is following Bush? (I am referring to Silvio Berlusconi)
(Redeye) Lol, Torbj
(NancyL) FiveMe, I don't think we'll see much action, certainly NOT a country to country war, as the USA Military is AGAINST this!
(Chirino) I'm from Italy, Rome Nancy
(Lebrasse) Are the Zetas hinting their about to expose Bush's skeletons themselves?
(NancyL) They can foot drag.
(TerrorDac) Berlusconi is corrupt as they come
(FiveMeODMT) That's right, hehe thanks for the reminder
(Wage) So will Bush's plans for martial law succeed, when are they going to try this? Will the invasion of iraq begin in November?
(3j) I thought Italy said they will back USA if there is proof that Iraq has nuclear weapons
(NancyL) Merlin, they will try to stage terrorism in the US, that the Z's have said, etc.
(Jurian) Hehe, isn't "Berlusconi" italian for "corruption" ? :)
(JanR) Thanks, Nancy. Originally, I thought Tony Blair was a decent guy, but that has proven wrong. Better then with the Nordic prime ministers which have stood up against the US demands.
(NancyL) This staging might backfire, their hand revealed, ala the image thing that Hoagland has :-).
(Chirino) I dont know if Berlusconi knows about the PS
(NancyL) Lovely times we are in, when the bad guys have to worry!
(Karen) I feel like we are sitting ducks as they play out there hands.
(Jurian) Indeed :)
(Focus27) What about US being invaded by other countries post-shift?
(NancyL) Wage, he hopes before Nov, but I think there are cards to be played.
(Wage) What about martial law?
(Merlin) Thank you... I am just very woried about that image
(NancyL) For one, perhaps the Arab nations will threaten, even start, an oil embargo! That should help the economy go down the toilet :-). And get Bush buddies elected in Nov!
(Wage) Also there was a report of an air strike against Iraq involving 100 US/British planes, which the administration denies, did this occur?
(ChiefSimi) What are the remote plans of the Israelis and the elite jews in Europe?
(Torbj) If the invation is not in stage befor the election.... it will be none!
(Jeremy) Nancy: ZT said in the past the major world leaders were aware of the possibility of a coming pole shift. Who, or how many of them now accept the pole shift as inevitable?
(NancyL) Wage, the Z's have stated that Martial Law is not a strong possibility as the US is fussing too much over current civil rights violations (citizens empounded without charges, etc.)
(NancyL) Chief, what do you mean "remote" plans?
(Cybervvizz) Don't think so, CNN published a chart pretending the USA does have enough oil, and they get only 20% from Arab
(TerrorDac) Wage that did happen 2 days ago it was confirmed on the news here in the UK
(RudyJoe) Nancy, could you tell us more about how the ZTs are going to zap the elite?
(Obany) Maybe Jeremy wants to know if things changed from that point, if more world leaders are aware now.. which I doubt ..
(Wage) US gov't denying it happened
(Piet) If Iraq has no weapons of mass destruction, they WILL give in to Bush's ultimatum for Weapons inspection, Thursday at the UN summit.
(MikeAus) And you believe CNN Cybervvizz?
(Cybervvizz) They got most of South America, Russia etc
(ChiefSimi) Distant plans, I mean
(Merlin) This one subject fightens me alot.
(NancyL) Jeremey, since only those few are privy to NASA reports, etc. and the orbit as predicted by the Z's is counter to human astrophysics, they are probably fence sitting in the main.
(Piet) Else, that is proof enough of weapons they have!
(MikeO) I hoped for a little more backbone out of Blair . . . to stand up to an evil dimwit like Bush
(Cybervvizz) I never believe YesBut-people like most USA people
(Jeremy) Nancy: Right, thanks for answering
(NancyL) Rudy, no giving out the Z's plans, that would be DUMB on the part of ZetaTalk, would it not? Here's the coming zap?
(TerrorDac) Blair is basically a decent man, but the job is influenced by others - just a puppet really
(Torbj) Cyber.....Blair even *bewitched* Persson.... Swedish prime minister
(NancyL) OK, we've run down here, so Q3 ...
(Chirino) Are zetas aware of the cycles theory? I use cycle theory to predict Stock Market movement, it is an interesting theory
(Obany) !notalk
(NancyL) ELITE BUNKERS
(NancyL) 1. And also what is Mt Weather for Bush or FEMA [Mt Weather, and I suspect Kokomo, are poor choices now.]
(NancyL) ZT: In the past, the elite in the US planned to go underground in facilities such as Mt Weather.
(NancyL) ZT: Mt. Weather, like Greenbriar, got revealed and of course this ruined their ability to house the elite out of the reach of the maddening mob.
(NancyL) ZT: Many, many other facilties were constructed, as rumored, with the idea that the pole shift would ruin the atmosphere but NOT cause extensive quakes and shifting of the crust.
(NancyL) ZT: In those days, the CIA, who was dominant in MJ12 in the early years, listened to the STS aliens who impressed them with technology, and talked their language, frankly, one STS group to another.
(NancyL) ZT: The STS aliens spoke of saving the few, the elite, and leaving the masses to their lot. This resonated with the CIA, who were composed at the start with recruits from the Nazi SS.
(NancyL) ZT: What the CIA did not understand was that these STS aliens were NOT into truth telling, and cared NOT for the CIA one wit.
(NancyL) ZT: The goal is to harvest STS souls, and the more hardened the better, so despair and a sense of being abandoned and abused were the emotions and setting they hoped to achieve.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, they lulled the CIA into believing they would survive, even encouraging the Sr. Bush to institute underground facilities in Houston, which will be under water well before the shift.
(NancyL) ZT: During the past few years, while the truth of these STS aliens vs the truth of ZetaTalk have emerged, some hysteria has emerged among the elite.
(NancyL) ZT: The orginal underground facilities, which were in areas subject to flooding or mountain building, were abandoned in the plans, and new facilities such as Kokomo begun.
(NancyL) ZT: The problem with these new facilities is that the construction has revealed them, and thus they TOO are no longer suitable.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, at this time, all plans are up in the air, though any and all facilities may in fact be used by the desperate.
(NancyL) They will be entombed, or drowned, or attacked by angry mobs gaining entry, and thus in the true light of Karma get what they deserve.
(NancyL) End ZT, followup?
(Obany) !talk
(GrimBot) Ok, everyone can talk now.
(JubJub963) Why would they harvest STS souls, I thought being around other STS is hell for those individuals?
(RudyJoe) I'd bet folks could find the underground bunkers with simple water dowsing methods. Drowning is too good for them.
(QueenVee) Excellent, thank you
(RainMan) Great words!
(TerrorDac) I have a spare bedroom - if any of the elite would like to use that :)
(MikeO) I'm gratified to see the Zetas accurately describe Israel's treatment of the Palestinians as "atrocities." If I said that, I'd get labeled as anti-Semitic, as do journalists and politicians with a conscience.
(Earlene) What about all the money owed to banks and mortgages and will anyone be able to collect insurance on the house if they are in a safe place but their house is gone?
(Torbj) Do Bush ever hug his father?
(RainMan) Clears up a lot. Clarify please harvest souls...
(Merlin) NancyL: Is it possible the elites think they can survive in space until the shift has past?
(NancyL) STS send into 3rd Density are trying to harvest STS souls, so PUSH them in this direction.
(Torbj) He should...
(NancyL) Earlene, insurance companies as well as banks will go belly up, not function, not exist, after the shift. Insurance probably BEFORE the shift.
(Samsara2003) Q: Why will flooding of Houston occur BEFORE the shift? I thought that tidal bore caused by the sloshing of the oceans would cause this?
(NancyL) Rainman, gain souls for the orientation, to live on their worlds, is what harvest means.
(TerrorDac) Samasara - didn't she say underground flooding?
(UkuzSurfin) NancyL: why did the Zetas think that John Lennon died of cancer when he was in fact murdered?
(Samsara2003) So why would underground flooding occur?
(Cybervvizz) What about Elite Yellow Submarines?
(NancyL) Sam, remember when they had 40 inches of rain, recently?
(TerrorDac) Water :)
(Karen) I think Nancy thought that not the Zeta's
(Zetapal) Harvesting STO vs STS souls is what its all about - this is key to understanding the Z's message - for those not familiar may I suggest perhaps READING Zetatalk?
(RainMan) Why would bad aliens want 'bad' people to live on their planets?
(NancyL) Ukuz, this is a VERY GOOD example of why I don't do math, and the Z's would like to address this:
(AGreenspan) Observation: You say Houston will be under water WELL before PS which is around the corner. Is there a hidden alarm message here?
(TerrorDac) Gives them someone to bully
(WooferBR) It's a good question. Houston.
(Torbj) Hugging father= -sinuscurve= * *
(STOwarrior) STS doesnt exactly equal bad...just opposite of STO
(NancyL) ZT: We allowed Nancy to answer the question about the Beatles according to HER understanding of the question, to demonstrate the limits of the vehicle.
(ChiefSimi) MikeO: it was also a proof for me that ZT is true
(RainMan) Zetapal: ouch !
(SteveH) Rainman, because that's the only lot that they get - to get their numbers up and have more slaves etc
(MikeAus) Houston gets pulled down just b4 the shift
(ZooSpecimen) The Zeta's never solved thier warring problem (they avoided it by removing a part of them selves). Humans never solved thier warring problem. How are the Hybrids going to deal with what their predecessors couldn't?
(Cybervvizz) ;-)
(Focus27) I'm wondering if areas of current severe drought would later get flooded
(Obany) !notalk
(NancyL) ZT: In fact, if she is NOT on the same page, understanding the setting, understanding the context of the question, she cannot put words to our concepts correctly.
(NancyL) ZT: This is akin to a Greek translator being asked to interpret French.
(NancyL) ZT: Hearing English, the Greek translator interprets correctly.
(NancyL) ZT: Hearing French, almost ANY idea may pop into the head of the translator, and the answer folowing down wrong paths accordingly.
(NancyL) ZT: It DOES matter what is in the translators head, such that an Aboriginal hearing an English mathematician describe the orbits of the planets would explain this to the tribe in a manner the Englishman would find absurd.
(NancyL) ZT: Likewise, the Englishman hearing the Aboriginal describe migrations of the wildlife, and the reasons for variations, would leave the Aboriginals bent over in laughter.
(NancyL) ZT: There are, in fact, words MISSING from one language, inherent in another, due to these concept syncing problems.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, in the past, when Nancy was asked to speak in math, and did so poorly, this demonstrated our refusal, and hers, to DO this.
(NancyL) ZT: This has for a long time been the rule, and the public forgets.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, chosing a silly subject, the Beatles, unimportant in the main line issues of today, we allowed this to proceed.
(NancyL) ZT: Nancy is NOT a Beatle fan, never has been, and thus hears these names only in the distance on the news, in the background.
(NancyL) ZT: She was aware of a recent death, cancer, someone who did good work around the globe and was beloved, and ASSUMED this to be the person asked about, especillay in the context of being protected by STO aliens due to the human's mission.
(NancyL) ZT: We do not expect this to be believed, but for those looking for a REASON for this catastrophic blooper, this is it!.
(NancyL) End ZT Followup?
(Obany) !talk
(GrimBot) Ok, everyone can talk now.
(TerrorDac) Nancy, may I ask then why the zetas don't send you written answers, rather than telepathic communication?
(Wage) What about the flooding of Houston?
(RainMan) It's no big deal. All about nuthin...
(ZooSpecimen) I'm not a beatles fan either
(Jurian) TerrorDac: like an email eh?
(RudyJoe) Nobody cares about dead Beatles anymore. Forget about it...
(UkuzSurfin) NancyL: So could Planet-Xs' arrival date (May 13,2003) also be misinterpreted?
(STOwarrior) Mistakes do happen, even to the best of us
(Abk) What about John Lennon's song "Imagine"? That was inspired by STO's, right?
(NancyL) Because I AM a translator, being a human, and participate in the response.
(Jurian) Abk: that song kicks ass :)
(Karen) Well I remember Nancy asking as a question whether it was John Lennon
(TerrorDac) Why do they chose to do it like that
(NancyL) You want really stilted answers, that may be misunderstood?
(Stphrz) Hmmmmm
(FiveMeODMT) Yeah the flooding of Houston would not only impact Houston but up and down the Texas coast and to neighboring gulf coastal communities
(NancyL) Go for straight ZT :-).
(ZooSpecimen) Can a STS mimic a STO? If so how well?
(Mainframes) Of course Planet X's arrival could be misinterpreted. How else will nacy explain it not arriving in 2003.....
(Samsara2003) This was a big mistake - Zetas/Nancy should be more careful
(NancyL) Ukuz, the 2003 Px thing has been SO discussed, SO much detail, that this is not possible, no.
(Zetapal) Wage - see the "safe locations document" on ZT homepage for info on ALL areas not just Houston
(AGreenspan) Please, you've dropped a bomb on us.. relate to Houston. Thank you.
(Wage) She said it would flood BEFORE the shift, want clarification
(Torbj) Dead or not... be aware in what you atach too... it is for shore you self.. so read it/you!
(Piet) So how do you know FOR CERTAIN these aliens you're talking with is into truth telling? You recognize their intelligence, so you must recognise their ability to deceive people. How do you discern them?
(SteveH) ZooSpecimen, STS can be charming magicians and fool many
(Jurian) Mainframes: then again, how will human scientists explain if it DOES arrive in 2003
(Avvizz2) Btw with Elite Yellow Submarine, I mean something totally different, like what if the Elite use submarines to rescue :-)
(NancyL) Can you imagine the demands of the public, when Px is really in sight, and they think it all may HAPPEN?
(WooferBR) I arrived later... What is the matter about the Beatles?
(Mainframes) It wont.....
(NancyL) People at the door, demanding to know this or that, with precision.
(HandLanger) ...Houston, we have a problem...
(Obany) Mainframes: well I don't think it's misinterprented, the May 2003 date is on ZT for about 7 years now and the date never changed
(TerrorDac) Nancy, just wondered why the Z's decide to communicate to the Earth through a human
(Merlin) If the planet doesn't arrive as some of you are suggesting? Why the strange weather? Answer me that and I'll be happy..
(NancyL) I say "no speaka the language" :-)
(Jurian) Mainframes: if you're so sure about that, why bother being here?
(NancyL) This allows me to speak to the common man, in general terms.
(NancyL) And have the time to do this.
(RainMan) Nancy: HA HA HA
(RudyJoe) Nancy, you should be the happiest person on Earth if all this PX stuff is just one big joke.
(Mainframes) So when it doesn't arrive Nancy will admit she is talking rubbish then?
(Jurian) Obviously
(Zetapal) Yes Wage this and many other areas will be flooded before actual shift - again your answer is in the safe locs doc - if that is what your after.
(Torbj) Talar icke spr�ket!
(NancyL) Terror, in the past, EVERYTHING done, or almost everything, was via humans, contactees, volunteering, that's why.
(Merlin) Mainframes: as I said.. if it is not coming.. why the WEATHER??
(Mainframes) What weather?
(NancyL) Also, the public hears it from a person, a grandma, in fact, not a bad PR personage when you think about it.
(Piet) Because of the sun!
(N18) NancyL: Did you know that Mohammed said wait until you see a comet that its head almost touches its tail?
(Jurian) Haha, yes, sure, the sun sneezed, and now the earth is sick as well
(Merlin) What the weather is normal all around the world?
(Jurian) Lets all help Earth blow its nose
(Wage) Well lot of droughts
(Avvizz2) I thought Aliens and Ghost spoke by mental impressions on the brain, and the medium has to form the words?
(Piet) Read http://wrightworld.net!
(Mainframes) Theres always droughts
(NancyL) OK, Q4 on Heat, Cunningham's Q of last week, pre-written to save time, so will flow fast...
(EliteConspirator) Get an education, gullible ignorant morons
(Obany) !notalk
(NancyL) HEAT/FRICTION
(NancyL) 1. Heat will be generated... where will it go? Look up how heat travels through certain densities of rock. I'd love to hear an answer to friction/heat.
(NancyL) There is existing ZetaTalk on heat as a particle flow at http://www.zetatalk.com/science/s92.htm, Ice Formation.
(NancyL) It states "Heat is composed of several subatomic particles that act as a lubricant for molecular motion, where atoms change their position with respect to one another. Thus, as is well known by humans, hot metal or rock can become liquid."
(NancyL) ZT: We have stated that heat is a particle flow, like all such flows the particles attracted TO each other thus flowing toward each other and crowding together, only to find such crowding a press such that equalization occurs with a flow to less crowded areas.
(NancyL) ZT: Heat exists IN objects, latent and not under pressure to move for equalization. Man is aware that friction releases heat particles, as do chemical reactions such as combustion.
(NancyL) ZT: What happens in these instances is that the heat particles go ON THE MOVE because their prior situation changed, but in that they were NOT overcrowded prior to the change, they happily return to a latent state when the change stabilizes.
(NancyL) ZT: How does this work?
(NancyL) ZT: Heat particles sent on the move because of friction are doing so because the atoms they reside within are compressed, creating an inequality with the surrounding atoms.
(NancyL) ZT: Heat moves to equalize, but this only causes the inequality to fan outward, to less compressed areas. When the compression of friction stops, the heat returns.
(NancyL) ZT: Mankind treats heat like magic, assuming a manifestation of heat that must go SOMEPLACE, disburse, as in his observations heat he perceives transmits outward from the hot spot, escaping, or so it seems.
(NancyL) ZT: In fact, few of the heat particles move elsewhere, and slowly return, unobserved by man who has walked off to salve his blisters and who in any case does not observe heat as a minor particle flow.
(NancyL) ZT: So what will happen when major friction occurs during the coming pole shift, the crust separating from the core and its magma and sliding over this slush.
(NancyL) ZT: Is this friction? Does friction occur during water sports, where boats and boards travel rapidly over a liquid?
(NancyL) ZT: Motion, not friction, occurs, as the atom compression results in MOTION, free to move as the atoms are.
(NancyL) ZT: Examine lava flowing from a volcano. Where there is heat within the lava, NOT on an equal basis with the surrounding rock and air, that is released and seeking equalization to a less crowded setting, there is NO heat produced from friction.
(NancyL) ZT: Under the crust, this press of heat particles is NORMAL for lava, and during and after the shift, this is NOT released to move elsewhere as ALL surrounding the heat particles has this same press.
(NancyL) ZT: Where there is a steady release of heat from the magma through the rocky crust of the Earth, this is dictated by the rapidity of motion of heat particles, solely.
(NancyL) ZT: None of this changes during the shift.
(NancyL) ZT: Heat is generated to some degree during the shift due to changed POSITION of portions of the core, which are not homogeneous as we have stated, a situation that results in the Earth's rotation as these various elements move toward or away from elements in the solar system they are attracted to.
(NancyL) ZT: During the shift, the core rotates to come into alignment with the rapidly passing planet causing the pole shift, dragging those portions of the magma with it that are attached in any manner, including attraction, and causing swirling within the magma.
(NancyL) ZT: All this upsets the balance where heat particles CAN become compressed and move, temporarily, until the core and its surrounding magma return to normal.
(NancyL) ZT: Rotation returns, the heat particles settle back in according to the dictates of the surrounding matter, and NO heat is released excessively to the surface of the globe.
(NancyL) ZT: Then why have we stated that the oceans of the Earth will rise an average of 675 feet, based on increased HEAT released due to this roiling?
(NancyL) ZT: Volcanoes are expected to explode, ooze lava, and burp hot gasses into the air. Just as El Nino is caused by volcanic activity in the Pacific, in Indonesia and environs, undersea volcanoes WORLDWIDE will be oozing magma and heating the oceans.
(NancyL) ZT: This is capped, in the atmosphere over the seas, by air HEATED from the burping gasses, thus slowing any equalization of heat particles into the atmosphere.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, it is not the roiling core ITSELF which heats the surface, but escaped magma and gasses.
(NancyL) ZT: Heat particles still in the core return to their prior pre-shift equalization status quo, after the shift.
(NancyL) End ZT Followup?
(Obany) !talk
(GrimBot) Ok, everyone can talk now.
(Zetapal) Merlin see Art Bell's book "The Quickening" for a documented account of weather anomalies on the increase nonlinearly - if it is not already obvious to you as it is to most others.
(RudyJoe) No, please, not another physics lesson!
(NancyL) Getting back briefly to the translator issue, I have a true story to relate.
(Torbj) Alot of logreading has to be done....
(NancyL) Years ago, when ZT first started, I joined a contactee group in the Bay Area.
(Merlin) Follow up: is that partly why infared is not visable?
(Torbj) *smile*
(Mainframes) There are more droughts because the sun is at the peak of its eleven year cycle
(NancyL) There is a guy who claimed to be a contactee, even had stories, and asked me out to lunch.
(IdolHarobed) Another El Nino cycle begun.
(WooferBR) No El nino. La Chica.
(WooferBR) Or El grandma.
(IdolHarobed) Hehe
(NancyL) The Z's said he was a CIA agent, and humorously, he even wore his perpetual sunglasses in the restaurant.
(WooferBR) Or El grandpa.
(Jurian) Uh huh, the peak of that 11 year cycle was 2000
(Merlin) Mainframes if you are trying to tell me that the weather patterns around the wolrd are normal then I am not sure we can have a conversation
(WooferBR) Well. Every day they get a new explanation, doesn't matter...
(NancyL) I didn't tell him what the Z's had said about him and sure enough here he came with the agenda.
(Mainframes) Looking at a graph of the activity right now.....
(NancyL) 1. he had $$ and could help ZT message, but 2. wanted a favor
(Samsara2003) I thought the rise of the sealevel by 675 was caused by the melting of the polar ice caps and NOT heat generated by the core during the shift
(Mainframes) Start of peak was 2000
(NancyL) He wanted the Z's to address a math equation, but the Z's said I, Nancy, should try my hand at it.
(EliteConspirator) Merlin: ever heard of normal variation
(Jurian) Start of peak !?
(Zetapal) Mainframe thats exactly what our leaders want you to believe
(NancyL) I did so and he was enraged, not only because I hashed it for sure.
(Jurian) A peak does not have a start
(Jurian) A peak is just that, a peak
(IdolHarobed) Not 11 year cycle. In fact, the time between cycles is on the decrease.
(Mainframes) We are not talking about a sharp point
(IdolHarobed) Check on any met site.
(NancyL) The Z's then said "We TOLD you guys you would not use her in this way, nor learn this information you are NOT to learn!"
(Merlin) I have heard of coincedence but I dont buy it either!
(Mainframes) Activity reached a peak in 2000 and is still at roughly the same level
(RudyJoe) The lousy CIA spooks got no sense of decency.
(TerrorDac) What was the math question?
(Merlin) That was to elitecons
(NancyL) So, they let me limp when they are establishing limits to my being used, etc, and have in the past.
(Jurian) Mainframes: heh, ugh, convenient, isn't it? A 2 year peak, in an 11 year cycle
(EliteConspirator) Merlin: get an education
(QueenVee) Good story Nancy
(Phoenix) Mainframe, when's the last time the poles melted?
(Jurian) EliteConspirator: stop bitching at people
(Merlin) Hahahaha ok thanks I have bought and paid for
(Redeye) Yes, interesting stuff Nancy
(NancyL) OK, no folowup on heat? Got one last accepted Q5, now ...
(Karen) Great example Nancy
(Longint) Nancy: ZT is getting better and better, along the learning curve. I wish endurance to you.
(NancyL) ECONOMY
(NancyL) 1. What's gonna happen in the near future: economy, politics, e.g. housing bubble collasping, war in Iraq, FEMA.
(NancyL) ZT: We have predicted a collapsing economy, to the degree that it would drop to 1/4 of its strength as it stood at the end of 1999.
(NancyL) ZT: It is not THERE yet, and will continue to fall, each country's problems impacting the others, each failing company dragging others down.
(NancyL) ZT: During the Great Depression and Stock Market crash, people in fact did not die because of the lack of strengh in the economy, but lived more simply.
(NancyL) ZT: Of course, there were the elite who jumped out window rather than face the horror of living a simple life and actually working for a living, but we are not considering these in our statement about "people".
(NancyL) ZT: We are here talking about the innocents of the world.
(NancyL) ZT: During the Great Depression, banks failed but were not called to account, mortages late by forclosure in the main not done, and all rode until times got better, in the main.
(NancyL) ZT: There are stories about failures, forclosures, families losing homes and farms, but the vast majority simply looked the other way and rode it out.
(NancyL) ZT: Why forclose when there are no buyers? Why close the doors of the bank, revealing a failing, when other banks are in the same stance?
(NancyL) ZT: The barter system emerges, people working for each other on a day by day basis, for food or an exchange of goods.
(NancyL) ZT: We anticipate a REAL impact where storms and quakes take out cities, insurance companies fail, and the government must step in or the homeless population increase.
(NancyL) ZT: Those countries where the population is allowed to die, starve, get diseased and lay by the roadside in this state, will simply continue this practice.
(NancyL) ZT: Those countries where the government is expected to STEP IN and rescue tax payers thrown into this state will muster forth troups, supplies, and mostly promises.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, families will be thrown on the good graces of their neighbors, the extended family, co-workers, or philanthopic individuals.
(NancyL) ZT: This is a precursor to the situation that will exist after the shift, so get used to it.
(NancyL) End ZT Followup?
(Obany) !talk
(GrimBot) Ok, everyone can talk now.
(Merlin) Elite: tell me something why is it when you don't agree with someone the other always has to be stupid? I have a degree
(Samsara2003) When are major earthquakes expected to start ravaging cities prior to shift?
(Wage) How long before this crash
(Phoenix) Q: Will there be enforced calorie restrictions in the US?
(NancyL) Merlin, stupid people can get degrees, :-)
(JanR) Nancy, we've seen the problems in Central Europe, where they are now calling off planned tax cuts after the floodings. The Scandinavian region has not seen any such problems yet. Can we expect the economy to collapse and getting into a barter system here before the PS? If so, how close up to it?
(Merlin) In electronics if it matters
(RudyJoe) I suppose it will be a great opportunity for the Rockefellers to do some philanthropic work?
(UkuzSurfin) NancyL said: ZT to Boy: You are assuming that Lenon wanted to live. He did not. Cancer is a symptom of a desire to DIE, and he had a long bout with this.
(NancyL) PhD's at Universities teach their students contradicting statements, in science, etc. Now, how smart is THAT?
(Stphrz) Wha
(NancyL) I'm kidding around here, but in truth, educated people can be pig headed, narrow minded, and opinionated.
(Torbj) See yourself .... that�s the way you are going to treat your neighbourgh!
(Merlin) Haha Nancy true and never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups
(JanR) Ref Nancy's story: The difference between ZetaTalk and Nancytalk should be evident to anybody, and has been noted a number of times (e.g. on sci.astro). In my mind, this only strengthens the ZetaTalk message
(NancyL) The comon man is often intelligent, if he has an open mind and a good IQ, educated or not.
(Zetapal) College doesn't teach you how to think
(NancyL) Sam, the Z's stated in a prediction "imploding" cities, ground shifting like the derailing trains of late.
(FiveMeODMT) Nancy: I take it the market crash you are talking about will be somewhat gradual versus a sudden tumble
(NancyL) They are not allowed to get specific.
(TerrorDac) I am an intelligent common man :)
(Ribot) Does others talk to zetas too?
(Guyflex) More intense earth changes after Sept. 15?
(EliteConspirator) NancyL: apparently you don't know much about universities and science
(AGreenspan) You're ok JanR.
(NancyL) Which city, which month. I sense a refusal to answer this Q from the Z's.
(Karen) Thankyou Nancy and Zeta's for a packed agenda!
(Jurian) EliteConspirator: you're starting to get annoying
(Jurian) Not to mention boring
(Pott) Karen wow diddly.
(Ribot) What do the zetas think about the crashing WTC
(Cybervvizz) What's a university if the Docs can't give bidirectional conversations during lesson
(Zetapal) Terror and stating it reinforces who's delusions?
(NancyL) Five, the rate of tumble depends upon hand of man, to great degree. However, they said "soon" last July, as the brakes are no longer working.
(TerrorDac) Lol
(Ummite) NancyL: I want to know why all abductee dont have an implant to the same place as other why some have one in the hand and other have some in the leg?
(EliteConspirator) Jurian: annoying because I don't blindly believe everything she says?
(PJ) EliteCon is out of his element
(MikeAus) Elite: apparently you're an insufferable prick
(NancyL) I think we will see sudden drops, in spurts.
(PJ) EliteCon.. then get lost
(SteveH) Ribot, look up existing ZT to see what they said about the WTC
(Obany) Ribot: there are more contactees, check the Transformation section for some info. There is Why Nancy, the source etc..
(FiveMeODMT) Thanks nancy
(Jurian) EliteConspirator: ugh, I think you'll find very few here do "blindly believe everything she says"
(Pott) Where the hell is PX?
(Dwander) Isn't resolving seeming contradictions a big part of learning to think?
(Jeremy) Nancy will the Sep 15 coordinates be released next Saturday, to allow immediate viewing on Sep 15 itself?
(RudyJoe) A very nice mellow session. Thanks Nancy! Would have like to hear more about how the elite are going to drown in their underground bunkers, and all. But, we can't always get what we want, eh?
(NancyL) Elite :-) my entire family are U profs with PhD's and Deans and work in science labs and the like, or ALMOST the entire family, I should say.
(NancyL) I know them WELL!
(Pott) I thought it should have been visible by now
(JanR) Nancy: "Which city, which month" - which question was that addressing?
(EliteConspirator) NancyL: so is mine. But apparently you're not
(Samsara2003) JanR- the earthquakes / times / locations / etc...
(Stphrz) Um
(Merlin) No.. we all have free will in our minds to figure out for ourselves what's true
(Samsara2003) Prior to the shift
(Jurian) EliteConspirator: I think most people come here because they find the whole message very interesting, not because they 'blindly believe in it'
(Samsara2003) Z's do not comment
(Samsara2003) Guess we'll have to go to Scallion
(Pott) Merlin: That makes a lot more sense than most sentences I see here.
(Zetapal) Jurian - a person often finds what they are looking for
(NancyL) Rudy, drowing will be "screech, screech, blubb, blubb". What can I say? MANY of them will be the peons, not the elite, and not deserving their ending.
(Cybervvizz) Only for those, who think mental activity is the highest value, has an university some importance
(WooferBR) Scallion - I'm sorry, I don't take that for serious...
(Jurian) Zetapal: very true
(Obany) I think that it won't be long until after the coordinates are given that sightings will follow
(Torbj) Take my hug, Nancy.....
(RudyJoe) Everyone gets what they deserve.
(EliteConspirator) Jurian: I find it interesting. because I'm interested in cults and cult leaders
(Ribot) NancyL I love you :*
(NancyL) Many of the elite are young souls too, children, and I don't like to see fear in any, frankly. Hope they die quickly and painlessly, in fact.
(Stphrz) CyberVVizz: I think truth has the highest value
(Cybervvizz) Wrong, Love
(Chirino) We had two serious earthquake in Sicily this week, 5.6 Richter scale, strange
(Ribot) The elite are spoiled kids
(Pott) EliteConspirator: Sheesh I've met a few of you guys should have a get together sometime with them.
(Ummite) NancyL: I want to know why all abductee don't have an implant to the same place as other why some have one in the hand and other have some in the leg?
(Torbj) Got it?
(Jurian) EliteConspirator: haha, if Nancy is a cult leader, then she's not doing a particularly good job, is she now? Get a life :P
(NancyL) Torbj, you're like a puppy dog! Bounding out with affection :-)
(PJ) EliteCon ...you have a small mind with your so called education
(RudyJoe) Isn't suffering supposed to be good for the soul?
(Cybervvizz) Woef
(EliteConspirator) Jurian: really
(NancyL) Umite, contactees by different groups, function differently.
(Ribot) Chirino you're from Sicily eh
(JanR) Maybe I'll redo my question then: Can a total collapse and a barter system be expected even in areas with seemly good economy, or is this more for the poorer countries (like the problems in Argentina etc.)
(Jurian) EliteConspirator: then again, I'm sure you "know" she's made millions by all those books she sold, UNF
(ZooSpecimen) How old do you have to be as a Hybrid before you can take a flying saucer for a 'spin'. And do you have to stay in the solar system or can you take it anywhere in the galaxy?
(Cybervvizz) Woef, he's sometimes cute
(Ummite) Ok thx
(Chirino) No from Rome, the home of the Pope
(NancyL) Rudy, fear only drives toward the STS, so not a good thing in any case.
(Chirino) A big earthquake in rome!
(Merlin) EliteConspirator = A TruthAerator right?
(Stphrz) Um wow
(Onlainari) Do we get pics of PX next Saturday ?
(Cybervvizz) I thought Rome was the home of Babylon
(Stphrz) Heh
(Pott) The question I have is what challenge is there for a species being handed evolution on a silver platter.
(EliteConspirator) Jurian: you don't need to make money to be a cult leader
(Ribot) Pxi
(Ribot) Uhauha
(NancyL) JanR, the African nations are already in this boat, so countries will NOT proceed all at the same rate.
(TerrorDac) Onlainari - yes signed pics for sale on the website
(Jurian) EliteConspirator: no, but it sure as hell helps
(RudyJoe) Let them go to the devil. What's the difference? Another 2 million reincarnations?
(MikeO) Once-rich Argentina is essentially a barter society right now.
(Ribot) Nancy do u like pizza?
(NancyL) Eskimos probably don't care! My point, depends on the family, the country, etc.
(Onlainari) You can see PX here www.irc-galleria.net/px
(Cybervvizz) Well, let's everybody say, welcome Nancy the cultleader... will You stop now ? Don't attack the messenger, listen to the message
(Chirino) In fact, we are too much focused on the money
(ZooSpecimen) When will we see some pics of there Zeta dudes?
(Jurian) Hehe, "eskimo" is a swear word, afaik :p
(Ribot) I hunted some zetas, fried them, yum yum
(Jurian) They're called Inuit
(Chirino) Why never thought to put in bank water and air instead of money??:)))
(Jurian) Ribot: grow up
(NancyL) Zoo, no pics, only sightings by people, groups, etc., I suspect.
(Redeye) Lol
(Chirino) Today i want to put on my bank account a lot of fresh water:)))
(Chirino) Better then money
(Jurian) Chirino: hehe :-)
(NancyL) OK, am signing off now, thanks to all for attending and inspiring great ZT :-).
(Stphrz) Moo
(Cybervvizz) Cyl
(Pott) This channel is like a soap opera.
(NancyL) I don't think new Q's arose this session, so probably next week will gather at the session, etc.
(Obany) Pott: shut up
(Zetapal) Rudy Joe - in ZT - paraphrase - suffering in and of itself serves no purpose - me, suffering can be helpful in demonstrating cause and effect which leads to learning, this is helpful to the soul but not suffering for the sake of suffering
(Torbj) Chirino... I�m going to get you some soon!
(NancyL) Thanks to Obany and Grimbot for being great cops!
Session Close: Sat Sep 07 18:14:53 2002