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Session Start: Sat Oct 19 16:36:28 2002
(Starstalker) We have many here in Oklahome
(Jurian) Don't think they're usual here in sweden either
(NancyL) Hi folks, I have NO agenda today, and am looking to collect one.
(Jurian) Haven't heard of one here yet :)
(Cmel) We had one in august that was f2, ripped a few roofs off
(HenryK) Trees and twisters seem to be the current topics here
(NancyL) I got an interesting report on email re the Stock Market I want to share, ZetaTalk Accuracy comment by the sender ..
(Torbj) Mm...and swedish trees!
(Cmel) I read about a rather large meteorite slamming down in Sibiria, is there anything to that story ?
(NancyL) Guy said saying "From the chart at right you can see that the Dow JUMPED 300+ points within the first 15 minutes of the market opening at 8,038, peaking at 8,318. If the news was SO EXCITING that we just HAD to buy, why didn't the market rise above the 8,318 value for the entire rest of the day?"
(ShadowCow) I'd like to know what the Zetas beleive to be the best form of government in the aftertime.
(NancyL) And web site addy where the chart showed this: http://home.flash.net/~rhmjr/index.html
(Pegasi71) NancyL: Anything on the N. Korea disclosure?
(NancyL) And quoted Oct 5 ZT: "Control of the Stock Market is under the control of money managers more than is understood. Thus, money managers, under the hand of elite, who hire them and can fire them, are told not to sell, even with bad indicators, or even to buy when the indicators would say otherwise."
(NancyL) CNN's Lou Dobs was also very upset that early this week analysts had said BUY BUY and the market rose as this guy stated, but ALL the economic indicators were down. So the little guy loses, once again, etc.
(CyberVVizz) QueenVee: No doubt now for us related to your honesty, but can Zeta's assure they have good intentions and no hidden agenda ?
(NancyL) ShadowCow's Q on govmt in the Aftertime accepted, Q1
(Cmel) I read about a rather large meteorite slamming down in Sibiria, is there anything to that story?
(QueenVee) CyberVVizz: you've attributed that question to the wrong person. it's not mine
(CyberVVizz) Yes, it was my nickcompletor, sorry Queenvee
(CyberVVizz) Question - No doubt now for us related to your honesty, but can Zeta's assure they have good intentions and no hidden agenda?
(Venus) All that high tech stuff. Useless :-)
(NancyL) N. Korea was KNOWN to have the bomb, my understanding. Months ago they were lobbing a bomb over Japan's islands or some such, I recall in the news, testing their missiles.
(Pegasi71) Yikes
(Torbj) Heres a possible Q: A meteorite crash in siberia and a spaceRocketcrash in the "same" area within the same week....any conections?
(NancyL) Cyber, QueenVee, can we be assured of YOUR good intentions? I trust them a HECK of a lot more than you.
(ZetaCurious) LOL
(CyberVVizz) Yes, look to our aura
(Cmel) I'm with you on that Torbj :)
(ShadowCow) I would like to make the request that people here today please respect the right of others to hear this talk and refrain from interuptions. Please respect the speakers and the listeners as if they were in your home! You will only reap what you sow. smib
(NancyL) Cmel, meteorites will become more and more common, so lets not dwell, etc.
(NancyL) Torbj, no connection, quick answer from the Z's.
(Cmel) Oh ok
(AGreenspan) The past week marked the seventh year to the assassination of the late PM of Israel, Yitzhak Rabin. Investigator journalist and author Barry Chamish concludes his investigation into the murder, by pointing out that the mastermind behind the assassination is no other then the current Foreign Minister of Israel, Shimon Peres. Is there any truth to this? Who was/were behind the assassination and what were their motives? -
(Cmel) It was on BBC so I guess its right, it Did happen
(Jurian) Growl
(NancyL) Russia, per what the Z's said in another session where the Q was about UFO's over a base, said this was Russians fighting Russians, so they have their ambitions and problems, for sure, like the US.
(Kramark) Q for zetas - are Sourthern African leaders on the right track with Nepad?
(Pegasi71) NancyL: There are groups being introduced to each other...are there others who have 'solo' missions?
(NancyL) AGrennspan's Q on assassination accepted as Q2
(Torbj) Ahh okey!
(ZetaCurious) Evening
(AGreenspan) Thank you.
(NancyL) What is Nepad, Kramark? So we don't have another Beatles thingie, I need to be clued, not clue-less
(Redeye) Nancy, has Princess Diana's death ever been explained on ZT ?
(Cmel) Or glued :)
(Redeye) I know its rather non related..
(NancyL) Pegasi71, yes, MOST are solo, but increasingly get introduced to others who can help them, be helped, etc.
(TerrorDactyl) Car crash in paris
(Obany) Redeye: not important enough I would say, it's bad it happened but what use will it have
(Pegasi71) Ok, thank you
(Obany) ?
(Jeremy) Nancy: Can the Zetas give any indications if the recent Soyuz rocket disaster, and the failure of backup explosive bolts to go off on a recent shuttle liftoff are connected in any way to the PX/Mars escape quarantine imposed by the Council of Worlds?
(Redeye) Yeah, seemed rather suspicious though
(QueenVee) NancyL: PLEASE NOTE THAT I DID NOT ASK THAT QUESTION ABOUT YOUR/THE ZETAS INTENTIONS. MY NAME WAS INSERTED INTO THAT QUESTION MALICIOUSLY.
(NancyL) Redeye, no, but she is not considered a mover or shaker, and it is family matters level, so declined. I personally think she was killed, deliberately, myself.
(Samsara2003) Nancy: Any Zeta comment on the validity of the channel Lisette Larkins?
(S7L) When QV wants your attention, she is sure to get it.
(Jurian) Lol
(NancyL) Jeremey, yes, but is Soyuz in US or what country? I need to be on the same page, etc.
(Cmel) I think so too Nancy
(AgentPX) QueenVee: we saw your name
(TerrorDactyl) I'd like to know, do zetas ever fall in love, or is it a human thing? Also, do zetas have families?
(Redeye) I see
(Kramark) Not sure of the Adrev Nepad - in a nutshell it is what Mbekei is doing for Southern Africa and wondered if this related to pole shift
(Obany) Samsara: give some info on who that person is and what she says .. if you ask your question?
(NancyL) Queenvee, we hear that loud and clear, and it will be in the log :-)
(Jurian) NancyL: Soyuz is a rocket type used by the Russians :)
(Ummite) Lol
(QueenVee) :-)
(NancyL) Samsara, does this channel predict, is accurate? No? No comment then.
(ZooSpecimen) Hehe
(NancyL) Terror, you need a girl friend.
(MikeO) The rocket was launched on Russian territory, about 1100 km north of Moscow.
(Torbj) To fall in love is you loosing your freightness
(NancyL) Kramark, Oh, you are asking about taking Africa BACK, I'll take it in that context, yes, as Q3.
(TerrorDactyl) Ok, well what is falling in love, and is it a galactic phenomena?
(Torbj) No fear...you are in love!
(CyberVVizz) How can they have love if they have banned emotions?
(Jeremy) Hi Mike-O, thanks for providing those extra details
(ZooSpecimen) If a person was a STO would he/she know that for certain?
(Kramark) Ok I knew that
(Redeye) Torbj: freightness?
(Torbj) No good in english
(Drfist) PLEASE RESPECT THE RIGHT OF OTHERS TO HEAR THIS TALK AND REFRAIN FROM INTERRUPTIONS. RESPECT THE SPEAKERS AND THE LISTENERS AS THOUGH THEY WERE IN YOUR OWN HOME.
(CyberVVizz) If You think the mental body is the highest in Universe, you miss the point
(QueenVee) PLEASE RESPECT THE RIGHT OF OTHERS TO HEAR THIS TALK AND REFRAIN FROM INTERRUPTIONS. RESPECT THE SPEAKERS AND THE LISTENERS AS THOUGH THEY WERE IN YOUR OWN HOME.
(PGill) PLEASE RESPECT THE RIGHT OF OTHERS TO HEAR THIS TALK AND REFRAIN FROM INTERRUPTIONS. RESPECT THE SPEAKERS AND THE LISTENERS AS THOUGH THEY WERE IN YOUR OWN HOME.
(Redeye) :) I understand
(CyberVVizz) Don't shatter
(Jurian) Wtf
(Handlanger) Blah
(Jurian) Stop that shit
(Cmel) Plz dont use uppercase
(CyberVVizz) IRC rulez
(Jurian) Next one to talk in all caps gets booted
(Silk) I second those remarks
(Redeye) Saboteurs...
(TerrorDactyl) Don't use upper case in your own home
(LeftField) NancyL What is the Zeta's view/understanding of God?
(Obany) Talking in Caps is like shouting... which is a bit of NO done in IRC
(ZetaCurious) Ya, enough shouting!
(Redeye) Read the site Lefty
(Drfist) Sorry about the full caps, we are serious about the interuptions, O.k
(Anaerobic) Will we ever see PX images "accidentally" leaked from NASA with help from Zs?
(TerrorDactyl) I'd like to hear a little more about Zeta's and their lifestyles
(AgentPX) QueenVee: please shut up and stop yelling
(NancyL) Zoo, often STO suspect they are NOT when they are so very concerned and self-sacrificing, my observation. They must be reassured that STO is 50/50, not 100% for others.
(NancyL) Russian liftoff Q4 accepted from Jeremey and Jurian.
(ZooSpecimen) Ty
(Jeremy) Thanks Nancy :)
(3j) You have time to answer 4 Q's today?
(Cmel) What you mean you are serious drfist/QueenVee/PGill
(NancyL) Leftfield re God, etc. this is in the Worlds section, I belive, Got Religion writeup.
(LeftField) NancyL k, thanks
(3j) Cmel, maybe they will hunt interuptors down?
(Cmel) Perhaps
(Drfist) Yes we want to listen! to Nancy and zetas and not you, o.k
(Anaerobic) Are Zs at work now preventing war with Iraq?
(NancyL) Anaerobic, I doubt we will ever get the straight poop from NASA re Px, but leaking and instantly denied, along with the poor soul wisked off to the nutty ward, perhaps.
(Cmel) 'They' will, it looks like a hive mentallity though ... lol
(Drfist) Just a civilized request
(3j) Yes hive
(NancyL) Terror, have you read all in the Worlds section re that? Tell me what you've read, and what is missing (this is a test)
(3j) It's the queen's crew afterall :P
(TerrorDactyl) Can you ask the zeta's what it is in Saddam's background that makes him the way he is?
(Anaerobic) Thank you.
(Cmel) It's QueenBee
(Torbj) Why should anyone outside prevent something we want to have?
(Cmel) Heh
(TerrorDactyl) I know they lay in a liquid
(NancyL) Anaerobic re Iraq, I suspect yes, big time, but Q declined at this time (maybe later).
(Anaerobic) Thank you.
(TerrorDactyl) They dont do sport but play advanced games
(NancyL) Terror, he's narcistic, sadistic, a child, a brute, nothing special in humankind!
(TerrorDactyl) Did I pass the test
(HenryK) When will PlanetX be undisputebly visible?
(AgentPX) I hear Saddam was molested when he was young
(NancyL) Terror, good for you! Now read about their love life, as it is there too!
(Cmel) Oh hes ordinary, hhhmmmm seems bad for humankind :(
(Obany) Just a short note: If you ask question, be sure that your questions are relevant, don't ask questions that are not related, like asking about popstars etc etc
(NancyL) AgentPx, so are many many children, a common problem.
(Jeremy) HenryK: When its visible as a red cross some 7 weeks before the pole shift. Red cross should be visible by early April
(Samsara2003) Nancy: Can the Zetas comment on what affect the passage might have on the moon? Does the moon shift as well?
(Jurian) Heh, and READ the website and use the search engine before asking stuff
(CyberVVizz) I think some kind of churgery sport
(NancyL) HenryK, indisputably? Per debunkers and NASA "oh, it's only a this or that in the sky", never indisputable.
(AgentPX) Jeremy: when should PX enter in our solar system?
(NancyL) YOU will see it 7 weeks before passage, without aid of scope, etc. in the daytime sky.
(Cmel) It's close to the hour
(Pegasi71) Samsara: thats in Density section, I think
(Monoxyde) Sitchin says you lie. Sitchin says the 2003 date has no proof.
(Cmel) Yes he does
(Jeremy) AgentPX: It should be sometime in March i.e. close to the time when it is visible as a red cross
(NancyL) Samsara, it says in the Pole Shift section that the moon hugs the earth, and care not about the passage at all.
(Torbj) I live...but I dont have any proof of that
(Cmel) Of what Torbj ?
(NancyL) Monoxyde, re Sitchin, I have great respect for him, but he's wrong and I wish him well during the passage. Living in NYC, I believe.
(Samsara2003) I think that was referring to the moons of Px - not our moon
(Pegasi71) Samsara: http://zetatalk.com/density/d40.htm
(ZooSpecimen) You can find things quickly using the 'key word index' at the zetatalk site
(Monoxyde) I've always found you a bit of a kooky one anyways NancyL
(AgentPX) Jeremy: I thought pX had a magnitude of 20.. Shouldn't be visible at eyes when entering the solar system
(NancyL) Samsara, the moons of PX do not leave Px either, during the passage, my understanding.
(TerrorDactyl) Nancy, I have been wondering why we have sandy deserts which take millions of years to form by the action of wind on rock? If Px passes every 3600 then shouldn't the deserts not be there, maybe underwater instead?
(NancyL) AgentPX, look at the images in the TEAM section and make your Magnitude answers for yourself.
(Cmel) But Px influences other smaller bodies to deviate from their orbit
(Silk) http://m1.aol.com/deepspacegirl/comparison.htm
(NancyL) OK, the hour is upon us, and 4 accepted Q's will start.
(Torbj) I'm Hugging you, Nancy!
(NancyL) Q1: AFTERTIME
(NancyL) 1. I'd like to know what the Zetas beleive to be the best form of government in the aftertime.
(NancyL) ZT: The Aftertime will find most of mankind in a dearth of government directives.
(NancyL) ZT: Even small towns, governed by mayors well known on the city streets to all, and traveling bands governed by chieftans, will feel the lack.
(NancyL) ZT: Insanity, depression, loss of life and confusion will remove the firm hand so familiar from governing.
(NancyL) ZT: Families will look to their elders, the family man, the religious leader, and find them all staring, shaking their heads, and unable to speak.
(NancyL) ZT: In these situations, leadership arises from the needy, natural leaders emerging.
(NancyL) ZT: Often they are children, to whom MOST of life is startling and strange, the unfamiliar presented almost daily.
(NancyL) ZT: To the child, this is more an adventure, an opportunity to act without constant parental admonitions.
(NancyL) ZT: They will make suggestions, and be allowed to proceed, and often lead their dazed and depressed parents and elders about like rag dolls.
(NancyL) ZT: Beyond the children, who will be inventive and energetic in the main, women will assume command by doing daily chores.
(NancyL) ZT: It is often said that men, who have single tasks in society, suffer when retiring, but women, who had the many tasks keeping the household going, are without retirement.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, women SEE what to do with their time, and proceed, and being useful live longer and in greater health.
(NancyL) ZT: In like manner, after the shift, women will wash and clean, gather and cook a meal, and thus be looked upon as someone who can direct activities.
(NancyL) ZT: When the depression clears, and survivors begin looking about them, determining if they should seek out a government rep or make a report, perhaps seek help from their government, a different conclusion will arise.
(NancyL) ZT: Each initiating, others observing and offering to help, and sharing, has taken place.
(NancyL) ZT: This is the STO society of your future, and once established by survivor groups, should NOT be supplanted by ego driven directive by the power hungry.
(NancyL) ZT: Tell them to sit back down and fall silent, as you did SO much better before they found their tongue.
(NancyL) End ZT Followup?
(TerrorDactyl) Won't the leaders be the ones with the biggest weapons?
(Cmel) Good Q
(LeftField) NancyL What delineates these children's mental alacrity from the depression adults will suffer?
(ShadowCow) So you see w diminished role for men or a perhaps a return to frontier governments of the 19th Century?
(Redeye) Their will be STO warriors also terror
(Cmel) How is weapons avoided
(Monoxyde) What happens to the world's nuclear arsenol?
(NancyL) In the case of the government bunkers, yes, and they will all go about barking orders at each other, but MOST of the world will not see them again.
(ZooSpecimen) Will the zeta's give out weapons to the STO's?
(Jeremy) Nancy: Do you/the Zetas anticipate future post-pole shift leaders amonst the audience here now?
(TerrorDactyl) In a time of chaos, then the guy with an M16 is gonna make the rules
(NancyL) Leftfield, the children have not LOST, so are not depressed. In other words, they didn't lose the 401K, the house almost paid off, the job with 25 years in, etc.
(Cmel) Monoxyde I guess it just sits there and radiates
(Obany) Zoospecimen: just think about that one... I don't think so
(LeftField) NancyL k, thanks
(Jurian) TerrorDactyl: not likely, he needs to sleep as well, and munitions will not be infinite :p
(Samsara2003) Can the zetas tell us where Bush and his cronnies are planning on hiding so we can find them after the shift. ;)
(NancyL) Mono, the nukes may or may not be disarmed, ARE being disarmed, but this is in the hands of man, etc.
(Monoxyde) But the children won't have parents
(Monoxyde) So they will be depressed.
(NancyL) Zoo, no weapons, no.
(Torbj) Weapons are vibrations....you fear them... you got them
(Pegasi71) They will have protectors
(NancyL) Terror, please read the Transformation section, the guy with the gun may not FIND the survivor group.
(Torbj) You love them....you got them
(Stphrz) I am protected
(Cmel) The children will be adopted
(TerrorDactyl) Even if you are STO, then it makes sense to have weapons just for defence
(LeftField) NancyL Do you communicate with the Zetan's telepathically or via channelling?
(NancyL) Jeremy, being in a chat and being a leader of men does not always relate :-)
(Pegasi71) Cmel: yup :)
(Jurian) LeftField: that's on the site, read it
(Obany) Jeremy: I think the Zetas do see leaders among the audience. I think that some of those people here just kinda know
(NancyL) OK, onto Q2 ..
(NancyL) Q2: ASSASSINATION
(NancyL) 1. The past week marked the seventh year to the assassination of the late PM of Israel, Yitzhak Rabin. Investigator journalist and author Barry Chamish concludes his investigation into the murder, by pointing out that the mastermind behind the assassination is no other then the current Foreign Minister of Israel, Shimon Peres. Is there any truth to this? Who was/were behind the assassination and what were their motives? -
(NancyL) ZT: Lately, the Israeli have been noted for bloodthirsty treatment of their neighbors, the Palestinians.
(NancyL) ZT: Coming out of WWII, they invoked pity in all, so great was their suffering, but in a half century, this has turned.
(NancyL) ZT: The country is now being lead by those who hunger only for the land of their neighbors, and seek every opportunity to settle on land not theirs, and incite those disinfranchised to throw rocks.
(NancyL) ZT: In this climate, was former Prime Minister Rabin killed by an assassin, or was this arranged, ala JFK, by those wanting to displace him?
(NancyL) ZT: Rabin was no more killed by a single individual than JFK, nor will the truth be any more forthcoming than the JFK investigations, culminating in a single bullet theory.
(NancyL) ZT: The current Foreign Minister has himself been under investigation, as has Bush at Harken, and gotten away scot free.
(NancyL) ZT: It is no surprise that both these so-called leaders, who to some degree stole their place in government by deceit and treachery, are friends.
(NancyL) ZT: They think alike, and plot to take over and divide the world among them, Israel with all the oil and land it needs, spreading into Europe after the shift, and Bush with the North American continent to start.
(NancyL) ZT: Those who killed Rabin were a group, not a single individual, just as those who put Bush in the White House are not even seen on TV or given Cabinet positions.
(NancyL) ZT: Just as Hitler was controlled by those behind him, behind the scenes, so these two power mad and ruthless governors are controlled themselves, by groups MORE ruthless and power mad.
(NancyL) ZT: Names would not be recognized, so will not be given.
(NancyL) End ZT followup?
(TerrorDactyl) So who is the single most powerful human on Earth?
(Crispexi) The Illuminati leader of course
(MikeO) So the Zetas are saying the Israeli government is aware of the coming shift?
(TerrorDactyl) His name is........................?
(Okidok) The Black Pope
(Torbj) You are, Terror!
(Steve) Nancy, would the Z's comment on J.H.Hatfield, author of "Favorite Son" (about GW Bush) who was found dead. Was this an assasination as well?
(Blip) The most powerful leader isn't a He. *dramatic music*
(Torbj) Look within!
(NancyL) ZT to MikeO: Israel is a close associate of Bush, as were earlier heads close, and indeed are aware of the likelihood of a coming shift.
(Obany) Please ask questions that are related and relevant
(NancyL) End ZT to MikeO
(Tizza) Do the Jewish really control must gov.s of the world quietly in the back ground?
(JoeyB) NancyL: Likewise, there are powerful STO players in this game as well. Yes?
(TerrorDactyl) Who is the puppet master - the ultimate powerful human that pulls the strings behind the world leaders?
(ZooSpecimen) Bush can swallow Canada but we will be poison to his system
(NancyL) Steve, Bush Sr also killed a reporter that was after the October Surprise goods. I'm sure there are many deaths.
(Cmel) Is Osama Bin Laden really a Jew?
(HighLandrer) Rothschids, Morgan's, Schiff's, Rockerfeller's... the money men... do these people control all via the banks?
(Samsara2003) What percentage of world leaders know of the coming shift? Can the Z's give a percentage between all nations?
(HighLandrer) And governments?
(Cmel) At least I read so!
(LeftField) NancyL What will the Zetan relationship to us humans be after the change?
(NancyL) ZT to Tizza: the rumor of Jewish control, Israeli control, of the world is related to major banking interests and their control.
(QueenVee) NancyL: are we likely to see more political assisinations between now and the poleshift?
(Obany) Highlander: there is zetatalk about this, search for which countries ..
(NightbirdTX) Leftfield, that is all on the website.. @ zetatlk.com
(NancyL) ZT: The Jewish heritage is to be sharp, highly intelligent, marry among themselves to the brainy, not the brawny, and thus they earn their reputation well.
(LeftField) NightbirdTX k, thanks
(Cmel) I know this is not related .. but what happened in Bali?
(NightbirdTX) Whoa.. Leftfield.. all on the website @ zetatalk.com
(Stphrz) Wow, just wow
(NancyL) ZT: However, it is the $$ that should be followed, not the sharing of a religion.
(TerrorDactyl) A bomb exploded
(NightbirdTX) Sorry.. was typing faster than I can :)
(Cmel) Duh terror
(NancyL) ZT: Most bankers are NOT pleased with the tone set by Israel at all.
(NancyL) End ZT to Tizza.
(Tizza) Ta :) So basically thru financial controls
(NancyL) Samsara, this was address earlier chat. Half dozen of so for sure, the rest guessing and perhaps suspecting.
(NancyL) US, Britain, Russia, etc yes.
(Spanky) Canada?
(NancyL) Queen, it's going to be VERY interesting times, so assassinations likely, yes.
(FoolsGold) WAS THE FEDERAL RESERVE SET UP TO BLEED US DRY BY TAXATION, SO WE ARE LESS LIKELY TO BECOME INDEPENDENT?
(Tizza) Dickheads in aust will never work it out if they continue to follow Bush blindly
(NancyL) I've myself wondered if the puppet Bush will be killed off if the military get too upset with his war mongering.
(Jeremy) Foolsgold: please don't shout...
(Stphrz) Of course FOOLSGOLD :P
(NancyL) Most who have been to war do NOT like the idea, and for nothing but ambitions, too.
(Obany) Foolsgold: not related, and don't use Caps .. Caps is like shouting
(Cmel) Dammit terror where you in on it, the Bali deal?
(FoolsGold) Roger that
(TerrorDactyl) Lol
(NancyL) CMel, Bali is no different from India or Africa, bombs by rebels or whomever.
(NancyL) Indonesia has had rebels kidnapping for cash for a LONG time, for instance.
(Blip) Nancy, I hear that astronomers discovered Planet X, but they call it Quaoar. What do the Zetas call it?
(Tizza) No bloody wonder Bali got bombed.... it was payback I believe
(NancyL) Foolsgold, this is always the plan of those in power :-)
(JoeyB) The Zs did say they would all stab each other in the back.
(Spanky) They call it hadouken :)
(Obany) Blip: that's not Planet X
(Redeye) Blip: dealt with last week
(HighLandrer) O/T: any more info at all about the sniper?
(NancyL) Quaorar is NOT Px, silly, just a rock outside Pluto's orbit.
(NancyL) OK Q3 ...
(FoolsGold) Target practice
(NancyL) Q3: AFRICA
(NancyL) 1. Not sure of the Adrev Nepad - in a nutshell it is what Mbekei is doing for southern Africa and wondered if this related to pole shift
(NancyL) ZT: Africa like much of the world was colonized early, and brutally.
(NancyL) ZT: The Americas were colonized, but being peers of those oppressing them, they had courage to rebel.
(NancyL) ZT: South America likewise was colonized, but the immigrants from Europe likewise established independence.
(NancyL) ZT: The North American Indians, and those in South America, suffer still at the hands of the colonists, or their usurpers.
(NancyL) ZT: Countries such as India had a long suffering time getting out from under colonists, as Gandi's history attests.
(NancyL) ZT: East Timor was almost beaten to death by brutality before the world finally cried enough.
(NancyL) ZT: The Australian Aboriginals are still the underclass, though the superior culture in human terms.
(NancyL) ZT: And Africa, almost without exception, is only lately getting independence, and then only in name, not action.
(NancyL) ZT: Corporate interests, supported by those countries with interests in the area, are still ruling, brutally.
(NancyL) ZT: But just as democracies are increasingly emerging around the globe, so the heads of the oppressed are raising, and questioning, and demanding their rights at long last.
(NancyL) ZT: The cry, of course, from those losing a grip on their slave classes and the riches of the lands owned by rights to the oppressed, is the better good.
(NancyL) ZT: Corporate interests, or the interests of governing parties who stand to benefit, is that it is in the interest of the people to leave those formerly in charge, in charge.
(NancyL) ZT: Starvation will ensue, loss of jobs, an economy so fragile and recently constructed will crash, and all manner of horror stories to DELAY the return of land and land use rights to the oppressed rightful owners.
(NancyL) ZT: Is their truth in this? Only if those wanting continued control MAKE IT HAPPEN. If medicine, routing of food, and protection is withheld, then of course suffering will occur.
(NancyL) ZT: And such manipulation is tried, repeatedly, in this game.
(NancyL) ZT: When will the game stop? When the pole shift cuts off communication and resources from the oppressors, the worm will turn.
(NancyL) ZT: It is then that the oppressor will be turning for help to those oppressed, who will often remember horrors done recently to them.
(NancyL) ZT: Not a pleasant ending, but one reflecting the karma that often occurs in a given individuals lifetime, due to their own actions in that lifetime.
(NancyL) End ZT Followup?
(Cmel) Even if Px was not comming, how would we go about to stop the big multinational capital interest, in exploiting the world ?
(Havix) Q: The complaints about Mugabe's land reform are very similar to those raised about Castro's Cuba. Could the zetas comment on the Bush administration vs. the socialist government in Cuba?
(Kramark) Do the African leaders know of the pole shift?
(TerrorDactyl) Why do you say Aboriginee's are superior? I thought all humans were equals?
(Redeye) Will groups such as the American Indian and the Aboriginals be prime groups for alien/hybrid interaction?
(NightbirdTX) Do the Zetas feel Robert Mugabe is right then in throwing the farmers off the land in Zimbabwe?
(N) He .. Nancy .. disks when on earth actually?
(HighLandrer) In what ways are the Australian Aboriginal's considered to be of a 'superior culture' in human terms?
(LeftField) NancyL A suggestion/request - could you ask the ZetaTalk webmaster to put a site searchengine on the site please?
(S7L) LeftField: use the amazing powers of Google
(Cmel) It is there LeftField
(NancyL) ZT to Havix: Castro has enemies still, because he refused to reinstate the gambling and drug/drink smuggling interests of the elite, who had located and found very useful the island of Cuba.
(Willshell) S7L is right, Google works great
(Monk) Leftfield: There is a search engine on zetatalk http://www.zetatalk.com/search/freefind.htm
(Cmel) Can you tell Google only to search on zetatalk.com?
(NancyL) ZT: Indeed, shouting that Castro needs to be replaced is LESS due to the lifestyles and health of the people there, who could benefit from simple trade restraints being lifted.
(Obany) Cmel: yes
(Cmel) Ok
(Orion1) Why do people think Orions are bad?
(NancyL) ZT: The shouting is from those who still hope to reinstate gambling, and THEIR illicit trade routes, in Cuba, and are being frustrated.
(Cmel) I though only Altavista had that possibility
(NancyL) End ZT to Havix
(NancyL) Terror, they are special, sorry you are jealous.
(NancyL) NightBird, clearly the Z's feel he is doing the right thing, yes.
(TerrorDactyl) Why the hell do people talk about 'Orions', it is a man made constellation, not a real star system - our sun is nearer to some 'Orion' stars than they are to each other
(NightbirdTX) OK, Nancy, thank you for the answer
(N) Nancy: UFO disks SINCE when on earth actually?
(TerrorDactyl) 'HOW' are they special though
(Crispexi) N: since the time of Atlantis
(Crispexi) 12,000 years ago or more
(NightbirdTX) Highlander, have you read "Mutant Message Down Under" great book
(Pegasi71) Terror: Spritually, I gather. STO's
(N) Oh thx
(NancyL) N, I think UFOs have been around since before man was engineered to have a conscious brain.
(Spanky) But MUGABE was in ZIMBABWE and the white farmers there co-operate with this government.
(Orion1) Nancy, what do you think about the Orion's?
(NancyL) Orion, what are the Orions? This is a constellation.
(Cmel) Well Spanky at least they try to
(Torbj) As all "noninfected" groups off people the know how to listnen to their stomach�s!
(Tizza) Terror : they r special in one reason that they havn't wained from the complete version of STO theme
(Kramark) What does Nelson Mandela know of the coming pole shift?
(NancyL) Well, my last Q4 is about the Russian space program, etc. Onto Q4..
(HighLandrer) Thanks NightBird! :o)
(Tizza) Even with all our western influences imposed on them
(NancyL) Q4: RUSSIA
(NancyL) 1. Soyuz is a rocket type used by the russians :) Can the Zetas give any indications if the recent Soyuz rocket disaster, and the failure of backup explosive bolts to go off on a recent shuttle liftoff are connected in any way to the PX/Mars escape quarantine imposed by the Council of Worlds?
(NancyL) ZT: We have mentioned that the US Space program, intent on getting man to Mars so the elite can ride out the pole shift there, has been sabotaged as a means of quarantine.
(NancyL) ZT: There are a number of reasons for this, which we will list:
(NancyL) ZT: 1. The giant hominoids from the 12th Planet, aka Planet X, are currently mining there in Phobos, and mankind is quarantined from them at present.
(NancyL) ZT: This quarantine is to allow mankind to have a balanced environment during their 3rd Density decision making process, as the giants, more highly advanced in the past and larger, intimidated mankind and upset this balance.
(NancyL) ZT: The quarantine also applies to the SURFACE of Mars, where remnants of their lifestyle exist. To the extent that this looks like intelligent life, period, it is allowed to be in the consciousness of mankind.
(NancyL) ZT: However, discovering details that prove the LARGE and powerful size of these giants, would not be allowed, any more than peeking at the inbound planet with probes such as Contour.
(NancyL) ZT: 2. The elite on Earth, who are withholding news of the likelyhood of a passage next Spring, are being deliberately thwarted in their escape to force them to stumble, and in their desperation at some point, blurt out the news.
(NancyL) ZT: A clean get-away would allow a tight information outlet up to and through the end, but thwarted get-aways are very good means of discombobulating the arrogant.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, ALL of mankind, ALL members of the elite, are to be thwarted.
(NancyL) ZT: 3. The giant hominoids are NOT going to move to 4th Density, along with the Earth and its inhabitants, some 100 years hense after the pole shift.
(NancyL) ZT: Coming aback at some future date, they will find collapsed cities, pollution washed lakes, and bones of man.
(NancyL) ZT: They will also find a dim sun, and having observed the dimming from afar, assume that the Sun died out, as they do.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, their own progression toward spiritual maturity can proceed without jealousy.
(NancyL) ZT: The means of preventing interaction between these two cultures are many, but most notably include space programs that meet with endless mechanical problems.
(NancyL) ZT: At times, the steps taken by the elite are ALLOWED to occur, as this generates MORE frustration when they hit another snag.
(NancyL) ZT: Fully frustrated efforts turn the elite to brutality elsewhere, allowing once again the tight control over news we seek to prevent.
(NancyL) ZT: Allowing success, after a frustration, only incites them to try harder, and thus when the passage approaches and they are WITHOUT a means of lifting off the Earth's surface, they dispair.
(NancyL) ZT: It is then we hope that mankind will hear of the approaching passage.
(NancyL) End ZT Followup?
(TerrorDactyl) Here's an ultra clear photo of Phobos - no mining whatsoever? http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/image/planetary/mars/f854a81-3.jpg
(Cmel) Nice :( , so we are not allowed to look our demise approach, and thus not allowed to prepare? Yes there is a feeling of blame, having to be directed somewhere.
(Samsara2003) Do the Annanaki harbor ambitions of returning to earth during this pass, even though a quarintine has been imposed?
(Willshell) Are there changes going on in our sun right now that are related to the the sun's eventual transition to 4th density?
(ChiefSimi) Will and/or when will the quarantine from these giants end? (Before the density switch?) And also why did mankind have to wait so much time (several thousands of years) before the Council applied the quarantine?
(Beta) Nancy - what about Disappearing Satellites? Failures were supposed to be noticeable by now - www.zetatalk.com/govmt/g44.htm
(Redeye) Will those humans who move to 4th Density in the future, possibly become answerers of the call to the Annunaki ?
(Spanky) Will they go to anchored submarines? The elite
(Blip) TerrorDactyl: they're inside the hollow part
(NancyL) Terror, they are mining from the inside out.
(Jeremy) Interesting question Redeye
(Silk) For 3000 years?
(Jurian) Not to mention that image looks like a bad cut and paste job. Someone needs to learn how to line up photo's
(TerrorDactyl) Its a montage of 3 photos
(S7L) Jurian: most astronomic images are cut'n'paste
(Jurian) Look at the top middle
(S7L) And the resolution and lighting conditions do not always match
(CyberVVizz) I thought you said the sun in 4th density was dimmed, not that one of 3th
(NancyL) Sam, the Annunaki are like us, hominoid, so yes, ambitions for sure.
(Monk) Question: So was the Soyuz rocket blown up by it self or with help by others?
(Spanky) Are the Nordics from the dead star/ 2nd foci? Is this why we and the Giant Hominoids look like them?
(TerrorDactyl) What elements are they mining that is so rare on PX?
(Samsara2003) Will Man be able to visit 4th density Nibiru or does a quarintine also exists there?
(NancyL) Chief, the quarantine will not matter when we, the Earth, shifts.
(Spanky) Sam: 4th density Nibiru has a reptillian STS population.
(Jurian) TerrorDactyl: gold, I think?
(Cmel) Yep they says gold
(NancyL) Cyber, they are going to leave a PART of Earth behind, and a PART of Sun behind.
(Cmel) The story
(TerrorDactyl) It's a tiny rock, clearly made of rock not gold
(NancyL) Monk, assisted.
(NancyL) OK, hour is up, agenda finished, and I have some company that just came to the door.
(Torbj) A HUG and a song to you, Nancy.."Det g���r en viind genom vindens �ngar..." Love you, goodnight!
(NancyL) Must restrain my aggressive Shepherd, who does not even like family!
(QueenVee) A big thanks to the moderators, a very well run session
(NancyL) DOWN Max! Put on his muzzle!
(NancyL) Gotta go! BYE
(MikeO) Nancy and Jurian and Jeremy and Obany: Tonight's ZT worked great, and the Zetas presented is with valuable new information. Thank you for tightening up the ZT-chat standards without resorting to strongman tactics.
Session Close: Sat Oct 19 18:02:21 2002